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California billy club ban struck down by court on Second Amendment grounds
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Leroy N. Soetoro
2024-02-29 22:40:59 UTC
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A court in California has stricken down a state ban on billy clubs on
Second Amendment grounds.

The lawsuit was brought by plaintiff Russell Fouts against California
Attorney General Rob Bonta over the state law making it a crime to carry
or even possess a billy club.

"This case is about a California law that makes it a crime to simply
possess or carry a billy. This case is not about whether California can
prohibit or restrict the use or possession of a billy for unlawful
purposes," the verdict reads.

It continues, "Historically, the short wooden stick that police officers
once carried on their beat was known as a billy or billy club. The term
remains vague today and may encompass a metal baton, a little league bat,
a wooden table leg, or a broken golf club shaft, all of which are weapons
that could be used for self-defense but are less lethal than a firearm."
The decision was passed down by Judge Roger Benitez in the Southern
District of California.

The court ruled to strike down the ban based on the Second Amendment and
its protection of citizens' right to carry weapons, including those other
than firearms.

"The Second Amendment protects a citizen's right to defend one's self with
dangerous and lethal firearms," the court stated. "But not everybody wants
to carry a firearm for self-defense. Some prefer less-lethal weapons. A
billy is a less-lethal weapon that may be used for self-defense."

The verdict continued, "One can easily imagine countless citizens carrying
these weapons on daily walks and hikes to defend themselves against
attacks by humans or animals. To give full life to the core right of self-
defense, every law-abiding responsible individual citizen has a
constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms like the billy for
lawful purposes."

Billy clubs — also variously referred to as batons, billysticks, and
truncheons — are short, lightweight clubs that have been used by security,
law enforcement and private individuals as blunt weapons.
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63h.1504
2024-03-05 05:20:41 UTC
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A court in California has stricken down a state ban on billy clubs on
Second Amendment grounds.
Well, that's proper. "Arms" does not JUST mean "firearms"
after all - it's most any 'tool' that aids in self/community
defense.

Unclear here are "knives". It is legal to carry a knife most
anywhere, but states/localities do tend to impose kinda arbitrary
regs on size/type. Due to lurid "teen thug" movies in the 50s,
"switch-blades" are almost universally prohibited. Local regs
can limit ordinary lock-blades over 4.5"/5.0" and "fixed blade"
knives for personal carry. Strap on a machete and the cops will
be all over you most anywhere as it seems a "threat"/"provocation".
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2024-03-05 09:07:43 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-billy-club-ban-stricken-down-court-
second-amendment-grounds
A court in California has stricken down a state ban on billy clubs on
Second Amendment grounds.
Well, that's proper. "Arms" does not JUST mean "firearms"
after all - it's most any 'tool' that aids in self/community
defense.
Unclear here are "knives". It is legal to carry a knife most
anywhere, but states/localities do tend to impose kinda arbitrary
regs on size/type. Due to lurid "teen thug" movies in the 50s,
"switch-blades" are almost universally prohibited. Local regs
can limit ordinary lock-blades over 4.5"/5.0" and "fixed blade"
knives for personal carry. Strap on a machete and the cops will
be all over you most anywhere as it seems a "threat"/"provocation".
For all the strange laws about knives, the good thing is that at least
they are easy to conceal.

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